Andthe DA adopted her other two children. On July 21, she was recaptured less than half a mile away from the prison at a house with a group of men. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. I watched the highlights of her hearing. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. Resides in Phoenix, AZ. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. ), Interesting suggestion. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. It means you dont orphan the kids. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. I followed the trial. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. She had not fired a gun. 80% MARRIED 80% of these people are married, and 20% are single. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. YouTube is a video-sharing website where users can upload and watch videos, subscribe to user channels and leave comments. Mind you, it is before the trial. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. I am a true crime junkie. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. I like your approach. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. Alana Renee Cole, 45, remains at large; authorities say she should be considered dangerous. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? Evidence continued to pile up against Diane Downs. Knickerbocker, Robert C.Robert C. Knickerbocker, age 82 of Tucson, AZ, passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. Whats next? Their theory was very shaky. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. The prosecutors in the case said that Diane had committed such a heinous act in the hopes of getting back together with one of her previous lovers, Robert Knickerbocker, who had made it known that he didnt want children in his life. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. It was never a slam dunk. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I know several foster parents and social workers. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. For some people, the best send-off is one that they would have loved to attendthemselves: a big party. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. Grief researchers say holding that missing funeral service, even a year or more later, can still help us heal. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. Why? You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? All smoke and mirrors to fit a certain scenario. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. Conflict of interest on steroids!! So move on. Downs tried to defend herself against the allegations and said, "Why would I have taken my kids to the hospital? It was in Mesa that Diane had an affair with a coworker and became pregnant yet again. She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. As time went on, Diane became the prime suspect, especially after Robert and her ex-husband, Steve Downs, both told authorities that she owned a .22 caliber handgun, the same type which was used for the shooting of the children. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. No matter how horrible people think she is. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. LMFAO!!!! They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. They're not a map to follow, but simply a description of what people commonly feel. 2. Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didnt stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Do not take this so personally. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. I am not sure. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. Lived In Salt Lake City UT. The detective said to leave that up to the police. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. Nobody near to help. Or be mentally ill. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Knickerbocker even reportedly told Downs hed leave his wife and move to Oregon to be with her, where she'd taken a job with the U.S. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. Statistics for all 12 Robert Knickerbocker results: 77 yrs AVERAGE AGE 29% are in their 100s, while the average age is 77. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. . Other names that Robert uses includes Robert A Knickerbocker. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. Mr. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story, http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf, http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html, http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html, http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228, https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives, Say Her Name But Spell It Right The Tale of Breonna Taylor, And Justice For All The Watts Family Murders, Babe in the Woods & Big Country The Murder of Nicole Vanderheyden, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. 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