rotax 912 uls vs 912is

Dry sump forced lubrication with separate oil tank, automatic adjustment by hydraulic valve tappet. 2 cents worth from an owner, Id say buy the 912iS or wait until the 915 is available, avoid the old tech dual carbd engines regardless of cost. No carbs to mess with but has had a few ongoing gearbox and fuel control issues that may or may not be fully resolved. by Warmi Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:15 pm, Post Belvoir Media Group, LLC. Best of both worlds, fuel injected and turbo! The lightest engine in the Rotax aircraft engine portfolio. The first time I flew the P2008 with the 914 i was very surprised how much stronger it was. Extrapolating these numbers into a years worth of flying in a club or school environment averaging 250 hours a year, the fuel savings work out to be about 350 gallons, or $2100 a year at a fuel cost of $6. I kind of regret getting 912 ULS but it came with a slightly used plane and it was a reasonable deal so not much choice there but my next plane wil definitely have oneof the fuel injected engines. The UL Power has fuel injection 3. As a result, we cannot show you the price in catalog or the product page. (Both will remain available for now.) Maybe the 915iS will bean option at some point unless its too heavy. It features liquid-cooled cylinder heads and air-cooled cylinders. Fanatic - I don't know about single lever but aren't in flight adjustable and CS props being used on the ULS in other parts of the world? This is a surprisingly common accident factor in floatplanes in particular for whatever reason. My dilemma is why should I buy a Rotax when I almost never see FBO prices for 87-92 octane fuels? Which is your favorite (and why)? The climb angle seemed vigorously steep, although this was my first experience in an Aquila aircraftso I had no basis of comparison. The iS, by the way, has dual-injector electronic port fuel injection in place of the ULSs dual Bing carburetors. Plan on attending the Annual Sport Pilot Expo. Remove Cookies Rotax decided that direct injection, which is becoming common in cars as a means of teasing more fuel economy, wasnt worth the expense of re-engineering the cylinders. An Astore with 912iS and a P2008 with the 914 :-). Electronic fuel injection requires electrons. Your link has been automatically embedded. Just make sure you know what you're getting into. Use spaces to separate tags. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Starting was as with any Rotax 9-series engine Ive ever flown. This compares favorable to typical Lycoming engines, although Continentals large displacement six-cylinder engines can approach 0.39 BSFC when running lean of peak. Production started in March 2012 and the engine has a 2000-hour recommended time-between-overhaul to start. In 1999, the 912S / ULS were introduced;[3] enlarged to 1,352 cubic centimetres (82.5cuin) with a compression ratio of 10.8:1, yielding 100hp (75kW). The engine nearly stopped and a quick scan hit the pitch control and dumped some flap and away we went. Although weoccasionally see a pilot switch from high to low wing or vise versa it doesn't happen often. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. The 912is is the latest in technology, full fadec w automatic lean of peak operation below 97% power. 2. occupation. Beginning the build on my S-20 and I am torn between these two engines. The 912 iS is slightly heavier than the ULS, but this appears not to have been a factor in the trials. The newer 912IS has new technology which one would think would make everything better. So perhaps the right answer is to add 2 more planes to my stable? If you were to purchase a new automobile tomorrow and it was offered with either a Carbureted or Fuel Injected engine, which Engine would you choose. It's not terribly difficult or time consuming. List ByDanJohnson.com all LSA Services each one verified to have the airplane or expertise you seek. And I have two customers who now have the 912 iS (neither have needed work on their engine yet). Our expectation is to have 400 engines out in the fieldby year end, Marc added. Facts . 912iS Battery not charging but engine stops when load applied, ROTAX Tech Talk: Troubleshooting the Rotax 912 ignition system, ROTAX Tech Talk: 912 Easy Start Circuitry, Rotax 912ULS powered Kitfox V Pre-Buy Inspection, ROTAX Tech Talk: Troubleshooting the Rotax 914 ignition system, Rotax-powered Kitfox V Pre-Buy Inspection, ROTAX Tech Talk: Troubleshooting the Rotax 912/914 ignition system, SI-912 i-002_SI-915 i-002 B.U.D.S. I am torn between the 912ULS and 912iS. Greaser! I'm an LSRM with a small LSA service/flight center in AZ. It is more than most sport pilots may prefer and more than some should manage perhaps. ROTAX 912 UL 80 ENGINE $7,500 ACCEPTING OFFERS 2006 Rotax 912 UL 80 with with 545 hrs for sale Logbooks, . by drseti Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:31 pm, Post The new Sport Pilot rule makes flying affordable! However, if you do consider the life cycle costs, the 912iS will return your investment in higher resale value, upgradeability,and lower maintenance/operating costs. Hi George: I do not have that information nor do I know if Rotax will release it. I'm always reluctant to be a first adopter of new aircraft engine technology. Required fields are marked *. Roger Lee LSRM-A & Rotax Instructor & Rotax IRC Tucson, AZ Ryan Airfield (KRYN)520-349-7056 Cell. The aircraft was originally equipped with a 100-HP ULS and this was replaced with the 912 iS for the flight testing. because I thought you saved a lot of carburator work, hence 912iS being simpler.. but I'm no expert. How fast do you want to go?. Thanks again, love all the interviews and flight videos. It just depends on what you want. ROTALK NEWS Episode 3Michael Smith's Rotax-Powered Searey Circumnavigation, the amazing Rotax-Powered Lockwood Aircam and Anthony Caere's chimpanzee rescue operations. Our price is lower than the manufacturer's "minimum advertised price." 2:43:1 Gear Reduction, Electric Start and Engine Mount. Ive read that there is a variable prop combination with the 915IS, computer controlled, that is a single controller setup. When I hear negativity about the 914 it is nearly always from someone who has never flown behind one. kicktireslightfires, Jun 16, 2020 #1 Ghery Touchdown! That requires the not cheap computer dongle (of which there are 4 levels) and the BUDS software. Change Cookie Consent Hey thinking about a 915 on a superstol. Given that Id take the 912iS if flatlanding and the 914 if doing a lot of mountain flying. Even though it's perfectly fine with appropriate safety precautions, it's still unsettling. Based on the proven concept of the 100HP Rotax 912 S/ ULS engine the 912 iS SPORT engine offers all well known advantages of the Rotax 4-stroke engine series complemented by additional features, e.g. engine management system. Did you notice the 915 iS being any smoother over the rest of the 912 series range of engines? While not especially hard you can hardly get in trouble with such equipment on a modern, liquid-cooled Rotax you nonetheless have to fiddle with levers and knobs, and keep an eye on instruments. You have allowed cookies to be placed on your computer. We also are interested in engine overhaul specialty center with state of art facility available for immediate. Thomas Uhr, head of Rotaxs Austria plant and a longtime engine expert and enthusiast and also a pilot advises the highest octane auto fuel, preferably without alcohol, to get the most power and best results. No other modifications were done, according to Mitter, other than fuel plumbing. It was still powerful. The 912's popularity was greatly enhanced by the introduction of the light-sport aircraft category in Europe and the United States, which resulted in the introduction of many factory-built aircraft designed to fully exploit the engine's small size and light weight. The 912is is the first full fadec aviation engine with auto lean of peak and it has been a challenge. Although diesel engines demonstrate measurably better efficiency than gasoline engines, gasoline engines arent standing still, theyre improving, too. The 912ULS is a well proven engine at a low price. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Hey Dan, thanks for all the great videos. Perfected 4-stroke engine with full take-off power and engine management system. What the refreshed experience told me is that FAA was right to say this is unnecessarily complex for recreational pilots. And finally, Id really like a 915is in my Murphy Rebel Amphib to replace my O-320 and I appreciated the info in your article Dan. Would love to see some pics of your install. [I] am planning to add an Airmaster electric prop. The 912S/ULS has been around a long time and seems to fit the bill without issue. It features liquid-cooled cylinder heads and air-cooled cylinders. or simplicity? 4 inches also can be fitted with an adaptor, drive and governor for a constant speed propeller. This engine makes 141 hp for five minutes for takeoff and 135 hp continuously, and it does so up to 15,000 feet. by MrMorden Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:21 am, Post The iS is a nice improvement over the ULS but is high tech for sure. We focus exclusively on Light-Sport Aircraft, kit aircraft a Sport Pilot can fly, and ultralight aircraft. Aircraft Installation Instructions, SI-912 i-004, SI-912-018, SI-914-020, SI-915 i-003 Purging of lubrication system. This decision can be reversed. Nothing like a 40% boost in power to launch an aircraft into the sky. For manufacturers, the issueis cost, the advertised price goes up about 20K for the injected engine. Stress is actually a little less therefore with the turbo engine, he said. By using our website, you agree that we can place these types of cookies on your device. Immediately the engine burst to life. [4] The 912 may be operated using leaded fuel, but this is not recommended as lead sludge tends to accumulate in the oil tank and reduction gearbox. Rotax-Owner.com - 912ULS Vs. 912iS Warm Up Time Subscribe Login Forum Videos Training Support / Bulletins Blog CLASSIFIEDS FLIGHTSAFETY ROTAX NEWS Top Rotax-Owner.com This website uses cookies to manage authentication, navigation, and other functions. The last 914s we delivered had carb leaks at high manifold pressure settings. Hi John: You are most welcome. Four-stroke piston engine with four liquid and air-cooled cylinders Dry sump forced lubrication with separate oil tank, automatic adjustment by hydraulic valve tappet 2 carburetors Mechanical fuel pump Dual-electronic ignition Electric starter Propeller speed reduction gearbox Your need to keep the greasy side down may be 'cause you pushed the pistons into the sump with over boost at low engine speed. Change Cookie Consent The 915iS fuel injected, turbocharged, and intercooled engine can produce 141 horsepower for five minutes, then sustain 135 horsepower indefinitely. Ill have to ask if its possible. I have a 912iS with 230 hrs. Entering the Market Marc indicated that 200 915iS engines have been delivered into the Rotax network including distributors around the globe. The 912 ULS makes 100 hp at sea level, declining in power at the standard 3% per thousand feet as it . by drseti Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:30 pm, Post Prices shown are in USD. Lets do the same thing for increased weight, complex, and night. Really sets you back in the seat compared to the 912. Flying the new 915iS in an Aquila light aircraft. The P2008 with the 912iSc is the most capable, largestand among the fastest of the LSAs. Glad it was a VFR flight in good weather. Where can I see fuel burn/altitude charts for the 915is engine? With the 912i my CT would be 127+ kts top speed. In my opinion, this is not a simple decision. Rotax aircraft engine manager Marc Becker arranged a second flight with Christian, this time in a Diamond Katana powered by a Rotax 912iS. The iS engine is very nice, but it's $3000 more than the ULS (current CPS pricing) and weights ~22lb more. It can do what the 912 can't and you could really use it because you are surrounded by mountains. However, syncing them won't fix the fact that they tend to run rich as hell no matter what you do. As the fast car guys say, Speed costs money. Highly recommend. Originally equipped with carburetors, later versions are fuel injected. This website uses cookies to manage authentication, navigation, and other functions. Hi Tyler: Thanks for your kind remark. Im sure other companies do as well but it would require some investigation to learn all of them. A year-long test by the company shows that the 912 iS delivers up to 30 percent better fuel economy than the 912 ULS. Perfected 4-stroke engine with full take-off power and engine management system. The newer 912IS has new technology which one would think would make everything better. Mark - while I have you on the horn Talk to me about the Astore v p2008. For manufacturers, the issueis cost, the advertised price goes up about 20K for the injected engine. The Rotax is $2092 cheaper 2. The discussion forum for Sport Pilots and Light Sport Aircraft, Post During our factory tour at Rotax, we politely told the engineers we would reserve judgment until the engine hits the field. We have developed a bias towards the fuel injected 912 iS as the fuel savings would cover the higher purchase cost. Other than official Rotax pilots and select airframe builders, we were among the first to experience the powerful new engine from the worlds leading producer of engines for light aircraft. Mitter said the test protocol called for trials on days of similar temperatures and density altitudes and defined run periods. The engine is by far the most reliable Rotax ever made. Fuel consumption was higher than I expected, but speed was also higher. The 912is has a few minor Differences/Improvements but the rest of the engine is essentially the same. But, I had a nice talk with a gentleman at Lockwood Aviation today about my decision and he made some good points about the iS: No worry about carb mx, no . Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by kicktireslightfires, Jun 16, 2020. Bill Hertzel Rotax 912is North Ridgeville, OH, USAClicking the "Thank You" is Always Appreciated by Everyone. Flight Design's base price on the 912 iS version of the airplane is $152,500 versus $139,800 for a comparably equipped 912 ULS CTLS. Stress is actually a little less therefore with the turbo engine, he said. According to www.airnav.com, mogas averages about $4.68 as of June 2013. Sign up Top Rotax-Owner.com Rotax has upgraded the engine for free with a stator kit to ensure there is enough power for full glass cockpits, a nice benefit. Alternatively, I encourage you to type in 915iS into our Search bar to see all our articles that involve the 915iS. In our family we have also had two 912ULS powered planes, and one 914. Hi Bill: You are correct. Im happy to talk more at our e-mail or even here. A $20,000 more than the ULS and $8,000 more than the 912is! extend the cowling 3.5 inches to get the prop slip ring inside the cowling; its been a challenge. But more likely, it will account for just a substantial fraction of the overhaul cost. Marc Becker summarized, The 915iS is about 12 kilos (26 pounds) more for the engine only; 40-50 more pounds when installed and about 3,000 ($3,750 at todays exchange rates) more than the 914. It is significantly more than the 912iS, as you should expect for an engine with substantially more power and the ability to use that power up to higher altitudes. My best friend has one in his Europa. In power mode, it runs at about Lambda 0.8 or 0.9. The newly designed intake also boosts fuel efficiency by up to 30 percent compared with the 912 ULS engine at economy cruise settings and by around 10 percent with the . [Turbo pressure multiplied by compression ratio] is obviously higher than the compression ratio of a naturally aspirated albeit having a higher CR on its own. Personally I prefer the high wing because its easy to get in and out of but I admitI am ahigh wing guy. This decision can be reversed. Heres our video on a system called Single Lever Control, which LAMA has promoted with some success to FAA for consideration in their ongoing Rulemaking update to LSA and Sport Pilot. At altitudes needed for California cruising there's a 20kt difference. Must be due to the turbocharger and lower compression ratio. However, at the most basic level of Sport Pilot certificate, requiring only 20 hours of dual and solo, I dont believe a pilot should be reasonably expected to also learn about about in-flight prop adjustment; he or she may have no need or desire to acquire that skill. Thanks. No power means no fuel (regardless of how much spark you have), resulting inno power! Four-stroke piston engine with four liquid and air-cooled cylinders. Rotax 912 iS Sport. If price is the primary concern, neither the P2008 nor the iS engines are for you, they cost more. Tecnam is now offering either a Rotax 912iS or a 914 Turbo in its P2008 and Astore LSA's. [6] The version weighs 63kg (139lb), which is 6kg (13lb) more than the standard 912S. Its expensive but in this case you get what you pay for and given the comfort, performance and reliability, its well worth it for us. * leaded, unleaded, AVGAS 100LL, Ethanol 10** max. However, yes, I believe Kitfox and Rans may already be prepared for the 915iS. [I am] building a Just Aircraft SuperSTOL with rotax 915 engine not a simple task! The injected engines have/require among other things metal fuel lines, high pressure filters, and providesubstantially more electrical power along with over 27 engine sensors and dual redundant Engine Control Units (ECU). Why? But more air is added in the combustion chamber He also explained that (perhaps surprisingly to some readers) the 915iS compression ratio is lower to allow for the turbo boost. Eco Mode One reason the 912 iS is performing better than claimed, according to Rotax, is that the engine runs more efficiently in so-called eco mode than was originally thought and its also more efficient in power mode than Rotax originally calculated. [3] The 100hp (75kW) versions are used in many light sport aircraft, such as the Zenith STOL CH 701 and the Tecnam P2002 Sierra. The 912S is certified, as are the A and F, which are used in the Diamond DA20, which is quite popular in Europe. Rotax 912iS versus the 914 Turbo - Which One. Even as the 912 iS was being announced last year, Rotax was already flying comparison trials, but the initial fuel economy data it released was based on dyno runs and some flight testing. The electronic fuel injected Rotax 912iS is a recent development. I recommendgetting a test flight in every aircraft you can! Rotax 912 A / F / UL Description This series was BRP's first Rotax engine dedicated for aircraft application only. Having said that I chose FD 3 times in a row for some particular reason! In addition to his valued contributions to Aviation Consumer, his in-depth video productions on sister publication. The price for the diagnostic software/interface is close to $1000. Takeoff roll is substantially reduced. [I] was going to go with MT props, but they seem to be unresponsive. The single lever requirement is what caused the altitude compensated carbs to be implemented versus amixture control so it is likely the FAA will remain steadfast on this requirement. Any pilot, any non-pilot, can be taught the complexities of a fixed pitch/constant pitch prop in less than an hour, and be fine with it for the rest of their days. This decision can be reversed. The 2008 is a bit longer and larger than the Astore and thus handles turbulence and cross wind landings a bit better. @#$%^&. Behind my 912 I sped 1/2 hour climbing and settle for less with the 914 its much faster, feels amazing we we go much higher. It just depends on what you want. Ill leave this forum to the CT crowd who know that very capable airframe. With that said and nearly 1500 hours divided between all three Rotax engines the 914 is nearly always my first choice to pull out of the hangar. Fuel needs of both 915iS and 912iS are essentially the same. by drseti Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:19 am, Post Just pursue a PPL if one wants to increase the complexity, thats what its there for, and its not at all difficult to do. Typically, ULS overhauls costs are about $13,500 to $15,000, but can be higher if valve or cylinder work is needed. I have not been able to find any comments from existing users with regard to what they think of the engine. Rotax 912ULS with tuned exhaust in a Dyn'Aro MCR01 with 3-blade hydraulic CSU propeller. The 912S/ULS has been around a long time and seems to fit the bill without issue. continuous power at 5500 1/miniS: ASTM compliant | iSc: certified according to EASA CS-E. Mitters test work focused on a side-by-side comparison in a Tecnam P92, which is considered a VLA under European rules. Its far cheaper to get a carbd engine, without ECUs or an EMU,but having both, I will never go back. Im guessing youve never adjusted carburetor balance and idle speed on a Rotax. I heard a rumor at OSH that Rotax has a 6 cylinder development project with 200+ hp. That smooth power is such an upgrade that it becomes a different class of airplane, especially out west where that power is needed and useful for high percentage of flights. Got it, thanks for clarifying. Of these, 120 are now with end customers, he noted. You just described an excellent way to make a 20 minute procedure into an all day project. We dont yet know if these will be required replacement items. Thanks for reading and watching! With the CS prop onit, itwill likely be the fastest of all of the LSAs and the fit, finishand refinement of this airplane is beyond compare. Set up your individual rotax engine with our engine configurator. Also as has been mentioned the 914 is quieter and very smooth. Learn how your comment data is processed. I hope you enjoy! We end up discussing pros and cons of the Rotax engines regularly. Dan, Display as a link instead, Copyright @2018 CTFlier.com Im about to take the plunge! The injected engines have/require among other things metal fuel lines, high pressure filters, and providesubstantially more electrical power along with over 27 engine sensors and dual redundant Engine Control Units (ECU). The 80hp (60kW) versions are sufficient to power the new generation of efficient motorgliders, such as the Pipistrel Sinus and the Urban Air Lambada. However, the engine received US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification in 1995, and by 1999, the TBO had increased to 1,200hours;[3] on 14 December 2009, the TBO was raised from 1,200hours to 1,500hours, or 1,500hours to 2,000hours, depending on serial number. any and all info you can provide would be golden. 4 inches, Shaft with flange for constant speed propeller P.C.D. by MrMorden Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:09 am, Post If the one for the engine fails it automatically switches to the other stator. * On the point about an in-flight adjustable or constant speed prop, Rotax Aircraft Engines top boss Thomas Uhr made an important statement when I asked about fixed pitch props on the 915, All our engines can use fixed pitch props. As a leader of a public company, he spoke carefully, but the suggestion was clear: Yes, a fixed pitch 915iS is coming, although today the engine is only driving an in-flight adjustable prop. 912 iS Sport Limited Edition 100 HP A highlight for private pilots and enthusiasts, this limited-edition design of our popular Rotax 912 iS Sport aircraft engine comes with a unique service and warranty package. Plugging that number into Rotaxs data reveals a to-TBO cost savings of about $13,000not quite the total overhaul nut, but no trivial sum, either. and ROTAX factory in Gunskirchen, Austria. We live in the KMNE/KDTO area and seek advice. When CS prop approval hits, many owners with carbd engines will likely regret their decision. The ICON A5 uses the Rotax 912 iS engine, which is slightly different than the 912 ULS powerplant often found in other Light Sport aircraft. The 914 cruises at 35 inches manifold continuous. All three Rotax engines are offered by Tecnam because we believe they are all good viable choices. With a dedicated engine monitoring unit (EMU)with historical analysis, I know exactly what the engine is doing and get an alert if any parameter goes outside the trends (normal) value. You have declined cookies. Carbs are never "better" in terms of performance the only potential benefit of using carbs would be that , in some scenarios, they are simpler to troubleshoot and fix and don't need electricity to run. Sign up for exclusive offers and product announcements from ROTAX. The 912is is the latest in technology, full fadec w automatic lean of peak operation below 97% . We end up discussing pros and cons of the Rotax engines regularly. The difference between the 912is and the ULS is the Induction system. In a light sport it does all the work necessary at whatever altitude airport and density altitude operations plus it starts really easy, get's great fuel mileage for those long trips and has no instances of "rubber in the carbs". Impressive but no more horsepower than the ULS and likely less in many conditions. FAA Regulation Update Fall 2022. I like the technical details. That's a $12,700 price premium or about 9 percent. Michael is the key man behind the Aerotech/Rotax/Searey/MT Prop project to develop and refine a single lever control for light aircraft (see our video explaining this, or read our article). I will cover many aircraft stories, but allow me to take the most recent first: flying the brand-new Rotax 915iS and comparing it to the 912iS, although not in the same airframe. When I can Ill look myself, perhaps I will add to this comment. Thanks! Much better and cheaper than MT prop. Using an Airmaster prop from New Zealand, It is also fitted to some light twins, such as the Tecnam P2006T. Forgive my ignorance, but if a 912 ULS or 914 UL engine loses electrical power, what happens to the functionality of these carbureted engines? flyrotax 4.02K subscribers 100 hp 4-cylinder 4-stroke liquid-/air-cooled engine with opposed cylinders Based on the proven concept of the Rotax 912 S/ULS engine, the new 912 iS Sport. How hard is it to synch carbs on a Rotax? 80mm and P.C.D. With the 914 my CT would be 150+ kts top speed. Yes, again, this would end the argument and be safer for pilots without increasing their workload. Constant speed props are a breeze if your surroundings allows time to think. Climb was 1,000 fpm. Id love to put this engine on an AeroTrek. Crowd who know that very capable airframe for trials on days of temperatures! Fine with appropriate safety precautions, it runs at about Lambda 0.8 or 0.9 ; its been a challenge its! 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